Alla Plotkin Biography

Plotkina - Do you think how? Gorbunov-I believe that we live just in very free time, because, apparently, our country is perceived in different ways, we have different Russia, it seems to me that we live in very free time due to the fact that maybe I read certain literature, watched certain films and talked with certain people, I understand that, be it a hundred years ago, it seems to me that I would not be able to do it now.

To put on a cross, go to the temple, relatively speaking, on Easter Plotkin - a hundred years ago could not work. Gorbunov - yes, if we look at the Matzan in the framework of the Soviet Union - exactly a hundred years ago, in the year - yes, it could not work. Gorbunov - no longer. That is, I understand that now I have the opportunity to do anything and choose Plotkin - and you perceive it as freedom?

Gorbunov - of course, this is freedom, and not only in choosing a worldview, but also in choosing opportunities, opportunities now a lot. I can go to any city and go to any institution, again, maybe this is not quite about this, but the USE for us, those who live in the provinces are a very free topic and this is a very good thing, because by handing over the exam, we can not give literature, Russian in the same VGIK, but we have already been preparing for the special tests, and we have forgotten the exam and forgot us, and we don’t need to ride and did not have to go In all cities and in person to take each exam.

And now there are a lot of such good, cool, free things, which for some reason my peers do not notice, a lot. Matsan - Well, you see, we seem to be returning to the topic that Alla Grigoryevna began, because to answer the question to myself: “Do you live in a free society or not? After all, the logic of our conversation leads to the fact that - well, this is bad, let's forbid it.

Plotkina - we talked about this at the beginning of the conversation - that it will always be bad, and no one can determine the point of the reference from which we count and what we think well until there is an ideal in society. In the Russian pre -revolutionary society, he was determined quite clearly - God, the king and the Fatherland, therefore, regarding these three unshakable things, a person was formed.

An eight-year-old man was called by name-patronymic, he went to confession, he was addressed by a pattern. I communicate with my students by name and patronymic, on “you” by name and patronymic. I call him Matvey with you here, and so he was always Matvey Sergeyevich for me, is and will be. Matsan - Well, look, there is such an approach, if, for example, as an example, to take the film that you said about, this is one way - it is to ban, not give a rental certificate, not show Plotkin - and what's the point?

Matsan - what is the point? And the second path: what is for us in this situation as if by a tea result - so that people simply do not want to watch it. Plotkina - personal internal rejection. Do you want to watch it? I'm not either. For no shishi. This, you know, is not the case when "Pasternak did not read, but I condemn." In order to understand that the egg is rotten, I do not need to remove the shell from it, I feel the stench, I do not want to watch it.

In order for this internal rejection, so that you do not want to drink from the sewer pipe, you need to drink a person to drink spring water, then he does not want to drink sewer, it does not work differently. Matsan - is it achievable? Plotkina - listen, the main thing is to understand what you are going to. You know, for me it’s very alive in my mind, especially these last and a half years, a parable about a person who went out, the robbers attacked him, blinded, selected everything, broke all the bones, and what should he do?

He does not understand at all where to go next. To the touch to go back, he knows this path at least to the touch. We have no other way out, bone, we have no other way out. Yes, we are taking off the banner from the balcony on Kutuzovsky Prospekt, for this the head of the criminal investigation department of the FSB, the police. Two hours later he is returned, this banner, with Christ, with the Savior on this balcony.

Matsan - Yes, there was such news, such an event a few days ago. Plotkina - we must decide! We must decide. All our gaps, they are frightening. I told you that I read a lot of documents this winter and shared with Father Igor Fomin, we discussed him all the time, I read and a lot of documents of the year - listen, then, then the society was absolutely French -oriented, wested.

Russian society spoke French, did not know the Russian language, "Tatyana, Russian soul, was difficult to explain in Russian." Matsan - but I have a quote on this topic, first I will give a quote, and then I will give the author. Previously, they told us, and they really thought so that in Russia they hated lawlessness, the lack of freedom of the press, and so on and so on, because they are so tenderly loved by Europe that it undoubtedly possesses everything that is not in Russia.What do we see now?

As Russia, achieving more freedom, is more and more self -asserted, and love for it only intensifies. And on the contrary, we see that no violations in the field of justice, morality and even civilization that are allowed in Europe have not at all reduced addiction to it. ” Do you know who is the author? Fedor Tyutchev. That is, there is nothing new under the moon in this sense.

Plotkina - not even once. There are several of his quotes that go, absolutely actively ringing on the Internet, this is one of them, nothing has changed, in fact, nothing has changed at all. This is some kind of irrational, for centuries a formed attitude towards our Fatherland. The question is how we behave in certain conflicts. If you allow me, I will very briefly tell me an extremely indicative example of how, in the same historical conditions, at the same time, in fact, with a difference of several years, they lived, ruled the two great sovereigns - Daniil Galitsky in Galicia and Alexander Nevsky.

Being in exactly the same historical conditions: on the right of the Horde, on the left, well, let's call it the Vatican, because everything was inspired by the Vatican, Daniil Galitsky in order to give the battle to the Mongol-Tatar invasion, goes to the Vatican, accepts Catholicism, that is, the Galicia becomes Catholic, Roman bishops come there, Pope releases Roman Medal, "King Russian" promises all help.

They deceived, they did not give help, but for several decades, Galicia was assimilated in almost all European royal houses, his descendants were assimilated in all royal houses of Europe. Galicia lost independence, became part of Austria-Hungary and ceased to exist as a state, and so far Western Ukraine-Catholic territories, it is from there. At the same time, in absolutely the same conditions, Alexander Nevsky goes to bow to the Horde, only for one - so that he was calm “on the right”, but gives a fight to the Teutonic knights, which we know well.

Why is he doing this? Why such a choice? Only for one reason: the Mongols were religious, they did not claim our religious identity, they conquered such a huge space that they did not give a damn, who believes in what, who is in Christ, who is what else is your business. Pay what is required and everything will be fine. But, having the rear, he could fight with those who advancing, who demanded the loss of self -identification, and, as it turned out, his choice was true, because his descendants gave a battle on the Kulikovo field later, and Russia retained its statehood, its identity.

This tells us what? That every people has the core that cannot be destroyed. You don’t have to even a carcass, even if you become a scarecrow who you will never become, and, thank God, we are different. We are different. It happened. Matsan-well, Alla Grigoryevna, here are students, and you note this, and Matvey from my own experience Matvey Sergeyevich, I apologize, it confirms it, and it is no matter how good or bad, we put a plus minus, this is the fact that the generation has grown in such a Clack Culture-outside ideology.

By the way, this is very characteristic when a special military operation began, in many conversations I heard: “Here, the whole world is now against us”, when you urge the words to be more accurate: not the whole world, but Asia, the Arab world, Latin America remained in the same relations in which they were. And when people say “the whole world”, they intuitively imply only its western part by the whole world.

Plotkina - well, you see, psychologically so easier, here is the "whole world", so everything is wrong. Matsan - yes, but when you say to it: “Listen, not the whole world”, they reply: “Well - the whole world that excites me, now he is Plotkin - Oh, yes! The Matsan - “He excites me,” and this is natural, and I excites me, who has lived these years in this culture, worries, and who does not love Europe, who does not like to travel, and do not even discuss it at all.

Plotkin - Kostya, a matter of comparison. With one of your colleagues, I tried to achieve some point, why such an attitude towards what was happening, which I heard: "I can’t live without Europe." Ok, I also love Venice, I know her better than Moscow. You know how good it is with me in Venice, I know such places that no one knows. Matsan - I know that your place of power is San Marco Square.

Plotkina - yes! I love it very much. Matsan - besides, you are the author of the series of the films “Unknown Europe” about the Christian shrines of the West, unrequited by the West, that is, the unrequited Church of Christians. Plotkina - I also love a lot. Listen, well, and without a homeland without my own, can I? The answer - no, I can’t, I can’t, I can’t. Everything here is here: my faith, my admiration, my sorrow, the story of my country in which there are pages that I told you about, it is impossible to read sitting, and which cannot be read without shame and horror, but this is my Fatherland with its great incomprehensible people.For me, my country is those women who gave the last piece of bread to the captive Germans when they were in Moscow in the forty -fourth year, I saw these documentary personnel, I looked a lot of documentary chronicle.

They gave a piece of bread to these miserable unfortunate creatures - women who lost their son, father, husband, this is my country. And I am absolutely sure that all the events that we live have a geopolitical, of course, the aspect, and most often we discuss it, but there is another, and all the most important things are solved at this level. And we are that terrible war, not being ready for it, not being ready either industrial or psychologically, in any way, we won it precisely because Russian women can give a piece of the last bread to the Proven enemy.

Matsan - Alla Grigoryevna Plotkin, director, producer, head of the workshop of cinema and television of VGIK named after Gerasimova and Matvey Gorbunov, fifth -year student of Alla Grigoryevna Plotkina today with us and with you in the Svetly evening program. Well, I, somewhat worried, ask this question: from many young people in the current situation, I hear such an idea that “well, now, of course, it will be difficult to go to Europe,” and it is really very painful for someone, and for me, in fact, very offensive, painful, and what sin to hide, sad.

Matvey, but for you, even if the question is tougher to put Plotkin, but he didn’t go there, unlike his friend, who was used to going to the Alps.